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Postby mail2brforum at gmx.com » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:33 pm

At the moment, no. I haven't spent a lot of time on it recently, mostly because it just works. I do have a growing list of enhancements for it though. Maybe I'll make it MyEdit friendly. Ryan. Gabriel Bakker wrote: : Does it integrate with MyEdit? On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Ryan J. Mills > wrote: We use a home grown system very much like sourcesafe, but better. IMHO. Ryan. John Bowman wrote: Does anyone use a version control system, like CVS or SourceSafe? If so, which one? -John Bowman ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ BR_forum mailing list BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) http://maillist.ads.net/mailman/listinfo/br_forum -------------------- m2f -------------------- Sent using Mail2Forum (http://www.mail2forum.com). Read this topic online here: http://brforum.ads.net/viewtopic.php?p=59#59 -------------------- m2f --------------------
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[BR_forum] Version control

Postby mail2brforum at gmx.com » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:33 pm

well maybe i should answer my own question in this thread too... currently we're using source safe, and we use procs to check files in and out from the console. I'm looking for a free alternative that enables peoples to check files in and out over the internet. Preferably from a command line. Does yours allow you to do that Ryan? If so hows does yours compare against br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] On Behalf Of Gabriel Bakker Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:02 PM To: Business Rules Forum Subject: Re: [BR_forum] Version control If you don't mind my asking, how does it work? I mean, do you use it for BR? I'd like to find a good solution for protecting BR source code. I know if you work with BR entirely in source code text files (like I usually do) then you can integrate any source code repository product with it. VSS integrates with pretty much any language that uses Text Files. But I want to hear more about your solution. Gabriel On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Ryan J. Mills wrote: : At the moment, no. I haven't spent a lot of time on it recently, mostly because it just works. I do have a growing list of enhancements for it though. Maybe I'll make it MyEdit friendly. Ryan. Gabriel Bakker wrote: : Does it integrate with MyEdit? On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Ryan J. Mills > wrote: We use a home grown system very much like sourcesafe, but better. IMHO. Ryan. John Bowman wrote: Does anyone use a version control system, like CVS or SourceSafe? If so, which one? -John Bowman ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ BR_forum mailing list BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net)) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net)) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net)) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net)) http://maillist.ads.net/mailman/listinfo/br_forum -------------------- m2f -------------------- Sent using Mail2Forum (http://www.mail2forum.com). Read this topic online here: http://brforum.ads.net/viewtopic.php?p=59#59 -------------------- m2f --------------------
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Postby mail2brforum at gmx.com » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:33 pm

Not for what I want. -john From: br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] On Behalf Of Gabriel Bakker Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:24 PM To: Business Rules Forum Subject: Re: [BR_forum] Version control Can you use a VPN to do the internet part? 2008/8/14 John Bowman : well maybe i should answer my own question in this thread too... currently we're using source safe, and we use procs to check files in and out from the console. I'm looking for a free alternative that enables peoples to check files in and out over the internet. Preferably from a command line. Does yours allow you to do that Ryan? If so hows does yours compare against br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net)) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net))] On Behalf Of Gabriel Bakker Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:02 PM To: Business Rules Forum Subject: Re: [BR_forum] Version control If you don't mind my asking, how does it work? I mean, do you use it for BR? I'd like to find a good solution for protecting BR source code. I know if you work with BR entirely in source code text files (like I usually do) then you can integrate any source code repository product with it. VSS integrates with pretty much any language that uses Text Files. But I want to hear more about your solution. Gabriel On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Ryan J. Mills wrote: : At the moment, no. I haven't spent a lot of time on it recently, mostly because it just works. I do have a growing list of enhancements for it though. Maybe I'll make it MyEdit friendly. Ryan. Gabriel Bakker wrote: : Does it integrate with MyEdit? On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Ryan J. Mills > wrote: We use a home grown system very much like sourcesafe, but better. IMHO. Ryan. John Bowman wrote: Does anyone use a version control system, like CVS or SourceSafe? If so, which one? -John Bowman ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ BR_forum mailing list BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net)) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net)) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net)) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net)) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net)) http://maillist.ads.net/mailman/listinfo/br_forum -------------------- m2f -------------------- Sent using Mail2Forum (http://www.mail2forum.com). Read this topic online here: http://brforum.ads.net/viewtopic.php?p=59#59 -------------------- m2f --------------------
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Postby mail2brforum at gmx.com » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:33 pm

There is no comparison of my system to the likes of Subversion or CVS other than they are a VCS. Subversion and CVS support concurrent checkins, patching and differencing. My system, the DMS (Demand Management System), does not do that. The DMS is similar to VSS in the fact that it is a locked check-out/check-in system. It maintain entire files and not deltas. It is a modular system that has support for Version Control, Bug tracking, To-do Items and Automated build scripting. It's not free. It also does not currently have a command line version. It's a DB back end, that currently uses the Firebird RDBMS, but could also use other RDBMSs, such as SQL Server, Sybase or Oracle. Because I currently use Firebird, I can have any access to any repository that is exposed to the internet. For example, I have a personal repository at home and the repository here at the office. Both are accessible from the office. Security is maintained by the DBMS engine and the use of firewalls. It doesn't make any distinction between binary or text files. My system is a different beast to products like Subversion, CVS or VSS. I wrote it a number of years back because I wanted an all in one solution to version control, bug tracking and automated building. There are a number of other modules currently available, but these are the primary ones, IMO. Ryan. John Bowman wrote: : well maybe i should answer my own question in this thread too... currently we're using source safe, and we use procs to check files in and out from the console. I'm looking for a free alternative that enables peoples to check files in and out over the internet. Preferably from a command line. Does yours allow you to do that Ryan? If so hows does yours compare against Subversion or CVS ? -john *From:* br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] *On Behalf Of *Gabriel Bakker *Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:02 PM *To:* Business Rules Forum *Subject:* Re: [BR_forum] Version control If you don't mind my asking, how does it work? I mean, do you use it for BR? I'd like to find a good solution for protecting BR source code. I know if you work with BR entirely in source code text files (like I usually do) then you can integrate any source code repository product with it. VSS integrates with pretty much any language that uses Text Files. But I want to hear more about your solution. Gabriel On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Ryan J. Mills > wrote: At the moment, no. I haven't spent a lot of time on it recently, mostly because it just works. I do have a growing list of enhancements for it though. Maybe I'll make it MyEdit friendly. Ryan. Gabriel Bakker wrote: Does it integrate with MyEdit? On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Ryan J. Mills >> wrote: We use a home grown system very much like sourcesafe, but better. IMHO. Ryan. John Bowman wrote: Does anyone use a version control system, like CVS or SourceSafe? If so, which one? -John Bowman ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ BR_forum mailing list BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) > BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) > BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) http://maillist.ads.net/mailman/listinfo/br_forum -------------------- m2f -------------------- Sent using Mail2Forum (http://www.mail2forum.com). Read this topic online here: http://brforum.ads.net/viewtopic.php?p=59#59 -------------------- m2f --------------------
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Postby mail2brforum at gmx.com » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:33 pm

Thank you for explaining. So far the user counts for various Version Control Systems by BR! Developers are: SourceSafe (VSS) - 1 Demand Management System (DMS) - 1 Does anyone else use one of these or anything else for this sort of thing? -John Bowman -----Original Message----- From: br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] On Behalf Of Ryan J. Mills Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:48 PM To: Business Rules Forum Subject: Re: [BR_forum] Version control There is no comparison of my system to the likes of Subversion or CVS other than they are a VCS. Subversion and CVS support concurrent checkins, patching and differencing. My system, the DMS (Demand Management System), does not do that. The DMS is similar to VSS in the fact that it is a locked check-out/check-in system. It maintain entire files and not deltas. It is a modular system that has support for Version Control, Bug tracking, To-do Items and Automated build scripting. It's not free. It also does not currently have a command line version. It's a DB back end, that currently uses the Firebird RDBMS, but could also use other RDBMSs, such as SQL Server, Sybase or Oracle. Because I currently use Firebird, I can have any access to any repository that is exposed to the internet. For example, I have a personal repository at home and the repository here at the office. Both are accessible from the office. Security is maintained by the DBMS engine and the use of firewalls. It doesn't make any distinction between binary or text files. My system is a different beast to products like Subversion, CVS or VSS. I wrote it a number of years back because I wanted an all in one solution to version control, bug tracking and automated building. There are a number of other modules currently available, but these are the primary ones, IMO. Ryan. John Bowman wrote: : well maybe i should answer my own question in this thread too... currently we're using source safe, and we use procs to check files in and out from the console. I'm looking for a free alternative that enables peoples to check files in and out over the internet. Preferably from a command line. Does yours allow you to do that Ryan? If so hows does yours compare against Subversion or CVS ? -john *From:* br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] *On Behalf Of *Gabriel Bakker *Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:02 PM *To:* Business Rules Forum *Subject:* Re: [BR_forum] Version control If you don't mind my asking, how does it work? I mean, do you use it for BR? I'd like to find a good solution for protecting BR source code. I know if you work with BR entirely in source code text files (like I usually do) then you can integrate any source code repository product with it. VSS integrates with pretty much any language that uses Text Files. But I want to hear more about your solution. Gabriel On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Ryan J. Mills > wrote: At the moment, no. I haven't spent a lot of time on it recently, mostly because it just works. I do have a growing list of enhancements for it though. Maybe I'll make it MyEdit friendly. Ryan. Gabriel Bakker wrote: Does it integrate with MyEdit? On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Ryan J. Mills >> wrote: We use a home grown system very much like sourcesafe, but better. IMHO. Ryan. John Bowman wrote: Does anyone use a version control system, like CVS or SourceSafe? If so, which one? -John Bowman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ BR_forum mailing list BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) > BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) > BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) http://maillist.ads.net/mailman/listinfo/br_forum -------------------- m2f -------------------- Sent using Mail2Forum (http://www.mail2forum.com). Read this topic online here: http://brforum.ads.net/viewtopic.php?p=59#59 -------------------- m2f --------------------
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[BR_forum] Version control

Postby mail2brforum at gmx.com » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:03 pm

Are you counting users or companies? Ryan. John Bowman wrote: : Thank you for explaining. So far the user counts for various Version Control Systems by BR! Developers are: SourceSafe (VSS) - 1 Demand Management System (DMS) - 1 Does anyone else use one of these or anything else for this sort of thing? -John Bowman -----Original Message----- From: br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] On Behalf Of Ryan J. Mills Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:48 PM To: Business Rules Forum Subject: Re: [BR_forum] Version control There is no comparison of my system to the likes of Subversion or CVS other than they are a VCS. Subversion and CVS support concurrent checkins, patching and differencing. My system, the DMS (Demand Management System), does not do that. The DMS is similar to VSS in the fact that it is a locked check-out/check-in system. It maintain entire files and not deltas. It is a modular system that has support for Version Control, Bug tracking, To-do Items and Automated build scripting. It's not free. It also does not currently have a command line version. It's a DB back end, that currently uses the Firebird RDBMS, but could also use other RDBMSs, such as SQL Server, Sybase or Oracle. Because I currently use Firebird, I can have any access to any repository that is exposed to the internet. For example, I have a personal repository at home and the repository here at the office. Both are accessible from the office. Security is maintained by the DBMS engine and the use of firewalls. It doesn't make any distinction between binary or text files. My system is a different beast to products like Subversion, CVS or VSS. I wrote it a number of years back because I wanted an all in one solution to version control, bug tracking and automated building. There are a number of other modules currently available, but these are the primary ones, IMO. Ryan. John Bowman wrote: : well maybe i should answer my own question in this thread too... currently we're using source safe, and we use procs to check files in and out from the console. I'm looking for a free alternative that enables peoples to check files in and out over the internet. Preferably from a command line. Does yours allow you to do that Ryan? If so hows does yours compare against Subversion or CVS ? -john *From:* br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] *On Behalf Of *Gabriel Bakker *Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:02 PM *To:* Business Rules Forum *Subject:* Re: [BR_forum] Version control If you don't mind my asking, how does it work? I mean, do you use it for BR? I'd like to find a good solution for protecting BR source code. I know if you work with BR entirely in source code text files (like I usually do) then you can integrate any source code repository product with it. VSS integrates with pretty much any language that uses Text Files. But I want to hear more about your solution. Gabriel On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Ryan J. Mills > wrote: At the moment, no. I haven't spent a lot of time on it recently, mostly because it just works. I do have a growing list of enhancements for it though. Maybe I'll make it MyEdit friendly. Ryan. Gabriel Bakker wrote: Does it integrate with MyEdit? On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Ryan J. Mills >> wrote: We use a home grown system very much like sourcesafe, but better. IMHO. Ryan. John Bowman wrote: Does anyone use a version control system, like CVS or SourceSafe? If so, which one? -John Bowman ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ BR_forum mailing list BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) > BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) > BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) http://maillist.ads.net/mailman/listinfo/br_forum -------------------- m2f -------------------- Sent using Mail2Forum (http://www.mail2forum.com). Read this topic online here: http://brforum.ads.net/viewtopic.php?p=68#68 -------------------- m2f --------------------

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[BR_forum] Version control

Postby mail2brforum at gmx.com » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:03 pm

Companies. -----Original Message----- From: br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] On Behalf Of Ryan J. Mills Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:53 PM To: Business Rules Forum Subject: Re: [BR_forum] Version control Are you counting users or companies? Ryan. John Bowman wrote: : Thank you for explaining. So far the user counts for various Version Control Systems by BR! Developers are: SourceSafe (VSS) - 1 Demand Management System (DMS) - 1 Does anyone else use one of these or anything else for this sort of thing? -John Bowman -----Original Message----- From: br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] On Behalf Of Ryan J. Mills Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:48 PM To: Business Rules Forum Subject: Re: [BR_forum] Version control There is no comparison of my system to the likes of Subversion or CVS other than they are a VCS. Subversion and CVS support concurrent checkins, patching and differencing. My system, the DMS (Demand Management System), does not do that. The DMS is similar to VSS in the fact that it is a locked check-out/check-in system. It maintain entire files and not deltas. It is a modular system that has support for Version Control, Bug tracking, To-do Items and Automated build scripting. It's not free. It also does not currently have a command line version. It's a DB back end, that currently uses the Firebird RDBMS, but could also use other RDBMSs, such as SQL Server, Sybase or Oracle. Because I currently use Firebird, I can have any access to any repository that is exposed to the internet. For example, I have a personal repository at home and the repository here at the office. Both are accessible from the office. : Security is maintained by the DBMS engine and the use of firewalls. It doesn't make any distinction between binary or text files. My system is a different beast to products like Subversion, CVS or VSS. I wrote it a number of years back because I wanted an all in one solution to version control, bug tracking and automated building. There are a number of other modules currently available, but these are the primary ones, IMO. : Ryan. John Bowman wrote: : well maybe i should answer my own question in this thread too... currently we're using source safe, and we use procs to check files in and out from the console. I'm looking for a free alternative that enables peoples to check files in and out over the internet. Preferably from a command line. Does yours allow you to do that Ryan? If so hows does yours compare against Subversion or CVS ? -john *From:* br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] *On Behalf Of *Gabriel Bakker *Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:02 PM *To:* Business Rules Forum *Subject:* Re: [BR_forum] Version control If you don't mind my asking, how does it work? I mean, do you use it for BR? I'd like to find a good solution for protecting BR source code. I know if you work with BR entirely in source code text files (like I usually do) then you can integrate any source code repository product with it. VSS integrates with pretty much any language that uses Text Files. But I want to hear more about your solution. Gabriel On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Ryan J. Mills > wrote: At the moment, no. I haven't spent a lot of time on it recently, mostly because it just works. I do have a growing list of enhancements for it though. Maybe I'll make it MyEdit friendly. Ryan. Gabriel Bakker wrote: Does it integrate with MyEdit? On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Ryan J. Mills >> wrote: We use a home grown system very much like sourcesafe, but better. IMHO. Ryan. John Bowman wrote: Does anyone use a version control system, like CVS or SourceSafe? If so, which one? -John Bowman --------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- _______________________________________________ BR_forum mailing list BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) > BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) > BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) BR_forum@maillist.ads.net (BR_forum@maillist.ads.net) http://maillist.ads.net/mailman/listinfo/br_forum -------------------- m2f -------------------- Sent using Mail2Forum (http://www.mail2forum.com). Read this topic online here: http://brforum.ads.net/viewtopic.php?p=68#68 -------------------- m2f --------------------
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[BR_forum] Version control

Postby russseel at msn.com » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:27 pm

We use firebird same as Ryan, but use Borland's Star Team version control.
It tracks all user changes, who made them and history. There are
checkin/checkout/merge proce3dures, buil number and a number of other
features - many of which we do not use.

We also have a home grown system for the BR applications which automatically
copies changes (programs, procedures, libraries, etc. into a test area and
documents it in what we call a "CHGT" word document as to date, name,
programmer, change description, menu item and tester name/date of sign off.
Our system administrator checks the completed tested changes and moves them
to our production directories awaiting the next release for that application
(e.g. Billing, etc.). The CHGT document serves a double purpose as a source
for documentation. After each release, the existing application directory
is moved to a historical area and the test area for that application is
initialized for the changes to makes up the next release.

We've also started using a new product ($200 per user) called On Time to
track our pending enhancement requests. We are in the process of converting
our existing enhancement request from Microsoft Project. So far On Time
seems to be a good answer. It has a lot of notes areas, keeps track of time
spent on enhancements and other nice features. As items are moved into
production, they are marked as completed in On Time and flow through one of
the above change tracking systems.

Be glad to show any of the above to those interested at the annual
conference.

...russ @ RH Positive.

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[mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] On Behalf Of Ryan J. Mills
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:53 PM
To: Business Rules Forum
Subject: Re: [BR_forum] Version control

Are you counting users or companies?

Ryan.

John Bowman wrote:
Thank you for explaining.

So far the user counts for various Version Control Systems by BR!
Developers
are:
SourceSafe (VSS) - 1
Demand Management System (DMS) - 1

Does anyone else use one of these or anything else for this sort of thing?

-John Bowman


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Subject: Re: [BR_forum] Version control

There is no comparison of my system to the likes of Subversion or CVS
other than they are a VCS.

Subversion and CVS support concurrent checkins, patching and differencing.

My system, the DMS (Demand Management System), does not do that.

The DMS is similar to VSS in the fact that it is a locked
check-out/check-in system.

It maintain entire files and not deltas.

It is a modular system that has support for Version Control, Bug
tracking, To-do Items and Automated build scripting.

It's not free.

It also does not currently have a command line version.

It's a DB back end, that currently uses the Firebird RDBMS, but could
also use other RDBMSs, such as SQL Server, Sybase or Oracle.

Because I currently use Firebird, I can have any access to any
repository that is exposed to the internet. For example, I have a
personal repository at home and the repository here at the office. Both
are
accessible from the office.
Security is maintained by the DBMS engine and the use of firewalls.

It doesn't make any distinction between binary or text files.

My system is a different beast to products like Subversion, CVS or VSS.

I wrote it a number of years back because I wanted an all in one
solution to version control, bug tracking and automated building.
There are a number of other modules currently available, but these are the
primary ones, IMO.
Ryan.



John Bowman wrote:
well maybe i should answer my own question in this thread too...

currently we're using source safe, and we use procs to check files in
and out from the console.

I'm looking for a free alternative that enables peoples to check
files in and out over the internet. Preferably from a command line.
Does yours allow you to do that Ryan? If so hows does yours compare
against Subversion <http://directory.fsf.org/project/subversion/> or
CVS <http://directory.fsf.org/project/cvs/>?

-john


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[mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] *On Behalf Of *Gabriel
Bakker
*Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:02 PM
*To:* Business Rules Forum
*Subject:* Re: [BR_forum] Version control

If you don't mind my asking, how does it work?

I mean, do you use it for BR?

I'd like to find a good solution for protecting BR source code.

I know if you work with BR entirely in source code text files (like I
usually do) then you can integrate any source code repository product
with it. VSS integrates with pretty much any language that uses Text
Files.
But I want to hear more about your solution.

Gabriel

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Ryan J. Mills <ryan@wcs.ab.ca
<mailto:ryan@wcs.ab.ca>> wrote:

At the moment, no. I haven't spent a lot of time on it recently,
mostly because it just works.

I do have a growing list of enhancements for it though. Maybe I'll
make it MyEdit friendly.

Ryan.

Gabriel Bakker wrote:

Does it integrate with MyEdit?

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Ryan J. Mills <ryan@wcs.ab.ca
<mailto:ryan@wcs.ab.ca> <mailto:ryan@wcs.ab.ca
<mailto:ryan@wcs.ab.ca>>> wrote:

We use a home grown system very much like sourcesafe, but
better. IMHO.

Ryan.

John Bowman wrote:


Does anyone use a version control system, like CVS or
SourceSafe? If so, which one?
-John Bowman





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[BR_forum] Version control

Postby mail2brforum at gmx.com » Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:35 pm

We use firebird same as Ryan, but use Borland's Star Team version control. It tracks all user changes, who made them and history. There are checkin/checkout/merge proce3dures, buil number and a number of other features - many of which we do not use. We also have a home grown system for the BR applications which automatically copies changes (programs, procedures, libraries, etc. into a test area and documents it in what we call a "CHGT" word document as to date, name, programmer, change description, menu item and tester name/date of sign off. Our system administrator checks the completed tested changes and moves them to our production directories awaiting the next release for that application (e.g. Billing, etc.). The CHGT document serves a double purpose as a source for documentation. After each release, the existing application directory is moved to a historical area and the test area for that application is initialized for the changes to makes up the next release. We've also started using a new product ($200 per user) called On Time to track our pending enhancement requests. We are in the process of converting our existing enhancement request from Microsoft Project. So far On Time seems to be a good answer. It has a lot of notes areas, keeps track of time spent on enhancements and other nice features. As items are moved into production, they are marked as completed in On Time and flow through one of the above change tracking systems. Be glad to show any of the above to those interested at the annual conference. ...russ @ RH Positive. -----Original Message----- From: br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] On Behalf Of John Bowman Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:04 PM To: 'Business Rules Forum' Subject: RE: [BR_forum] Version control Companies. -----Original Message----- From: br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] On Behalf Of Ryan J. Mills Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:53 PM To: Business Rules Forum Subject: Re: [BR_forum] Version control Are you counting users or companies? Ryan. John Bowman wrote: : Thank you for explaining. So far the user counts for various Version Control Systems by BR! Developers are: SourceSafe (VSS) - 1 Demand Management System (DMS) - 1 Does anyone else use one of these or anything else for this sort of thing? -John Bowman -----Original Message----- From: br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] On Behalf Of Ryan J. Mills Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:48 PM To: Business Rules Forum Subject: Re: [BR_forum] Version control There is no comparison of my system to the likes of Subversion or CVS other than they are a VCS. Subversion and CVS support concurrent checkins, patching and differencing. My system, the DMS (Demand Management System), does not do that. The DMS is similar to VSS in the fact that it is a locked check-out/check-in system. It maintain entire files and not deltas. It is a modular system that has support for Version Control, Bug tracking, To-do Items and Automated build scripting. It's not free. It also does not currently have a command line version. It's a DB back end, that currently uses the Firebird RDBMS, but could also use other RDBMSs, such as SQL Server, Sybase or Oracle. Because I currently use Firebird, I can have any access to any repository that is exposed to the internet. For example, I have a personal repository at home and the repository here at the office. Both are accessible from the office. : Security is maintained by the DBMS engine and the use of firewalls. It doesn't make any distinction between binary or text files. My system is a different beast to products like Subversion, CVS or VSS. I wrote it a number of years back because I wanted an all in one solution to version control, bug tracking and automated building. There are a number of other modules currently available, but these are the primary ones, IMO. : Ryan. John Bowman wrote: : well maybe i should answer my own question in this thread too... currently we're using source safe, and we use procs to check files in and out from the console. I'm looking for a free alternative that enables peoples to check files in and out over the internet. Preferably from a command line. Does yours allow you to do that Ryan? If so hows does yours compare against Subversion or CVS ? -john *From:* br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net) [mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net] *On Behalf Of *Gabriel Bakker *Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:02 PM *To:* Business Rules Forum *Subject:* Re: [BR_forum] Version control If you don't mind my asking, how does it work? I mean, do you use it for BR? I'd like to find a good solution for protecting BR source code. I know if you work with BR entirely in source code text files (like I usually do) then you can integrate any source code repository product with it. VSS integrates with pretty much any language that uses Text Files. : : But I want to hear more about your solution. Gabriel On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Ryan J. Mills > wrote: At the moment, no. I haven't spent a lot of time on it recently, mostly because it just works. I do have a growing list of enhancements for it though. Maybe I'll make it MyEdit friendly. Ryan. Gabriel Bakker wrote: Does it integrate with MyEdit? On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Ryan J. Mills >> wrote: We use a home grown system very much like sourcesafe, but better. IMHO. Ryan. John Bowman wrote: Does anyone use a version control system, like CVS or SourceSafe? 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[BR_forum] Version control

Postby gothnerd at gmail.com » Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:06 pm

Wow, Thank you very much, Russ! On Time looks pretty cool. And hey Susan, did they even have free single user licenses. Also the whole firebird thing looks pretty top knotch, I'm going to go check it out.

-john


On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Russ Seel <russseel@msn.com (russseel@msn.com)> wrote:
We use firebird same as Ryan, but use Borland's Star Team version control.
It tracks all user changes, who made them and history. There are
checkin/checkout/merge proce3dures, buil number and a number of other
features - many of which we do not use.

We also have a home grown system for the BR applications which automatically
copies changes (programs, procedures, libraries, etc. into a test area and
documents it in what we call a "CHGT" word document as to date, name,
programmer, change description, menu item and tester name/date of sign off.
Our system administrator checks the completed tested changes and moves them
to our production directories awaiting the next release for that application
(e.g. Billing, etc.). The CHGT document serves a double purpose as a source
for documentation. After each release, the existing application directory
is moved to a historical area and the test area for that application is
initialized for the changes to makes up the next release.

We've also started using a new product ($200 per user) called On Time to
track our pending enhancement requests. We are in the process of converting
our existing enhancement request from Microsoft Project. So far On Time
seems to be a good answer. It has a lot of notes areas, keeps track of time
spent on enhancements and other nice features. As items are moved into
production, they are marked as completed in On Time and flow through one of
the above change tracking systems.

Be glad to show any of the above to those interested at the annual
conference.

...russ @ RH Positive.

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Subject: RE: [BR_forum] Version control

Companies.

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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:53 PM
To: Business Rules Forum
Subject: Re: [BR_forum] Version control

Are you counting users or companies?

Ryan.

John Bowman wrote:
Thank you for explaining.

So far the user counts for various Version Control Systems by BR!
Developers
are:
SourceSafe (VSS) - 1
Demand Management System (DMS) - 1

Does anyone else use one of these or anything else for this sort of thing?

-John Bowman


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Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:48 PM
To: Business Rules Forum
Subject: Re: [BR_forum] Version control

There is no comparison of my system to the likes of Subversion or CVS
other than they are a VCS.

Subversion and CVS support concurrent checkins, patching and differencing.

My system, the DMS (Demand Management System), does not do that.

The DMS is similar to VSS in the fact that it is a locked
check-out/check-in system.

It maintain entire files and not deltas.

It is a modular system that has support for Version Control, Bug
tracking, To-do Items and Automated build scripting.

It's not free.

It also does not currently have a command line version.

It's a DB back end, that currently uses the Firebird RDBMS, but could
also use other RDBMSs, such as SQL Server, Sybase or Oracle.

Because I currently use Firebird, I can have any access to any
repository that is exposed to the internet. For example, I have a
personal repository at home and the repository here at the office. Both
are
accessible from the office.
Security is maintained by the DBMS engine and the use of firewalls.

It doesn't make any distinction between binary or text files.

My system is a different beast to products like Subversion, CVS or VSS.

I wrote it a number of years back because I wanted an all in one
solution to version control, bug tracking and automated building.
There are a number of other modules currently available, but these are the
primary ones, IMO.
Ryan.



John Bowman wrote:
well maybe i should answer my own question in this thread too...

currently we're using source safe, and we use procs to check files in
and out from the console.

I'm looking for a free alternative that enables peoples to check
files in and out over the internet. Preferably from a command line.
Does yours allow you to do that Ryan? If so hows does yours compare
against Subversion <http://directory.fsf.org/project/subversion/> or
CVS <http://directory.fsf.org/project/cvs/>?

-john


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[mailto:br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net (br_forum-bounces@maillist.ads.net)] *On Behalf Of *Gabriel
Bakker
*Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:02 PM
*To:* Business Rules Forum
*Subject:* Re: [BR_forum] Version control

If you don't mind my asking, how does it work?

I mean, do you use it for BR?

I'd like to find a good solution for protecting BR source code.

I know if you work with BR entirely in source code text files (like I
usually do) then you can integrate any source code repository product
with it. VSS integrates with pretty much any language that uses Text
Files.
But I want to hear more about your solution.

Gabriel

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Ryan J. Mills <ryan@wcs.ab.ca (ryan@wcs.ab.ca)
<mailto:ryan@wcs.ab.ca (ryan@wcs.ab.ca)>> wrote:

At the moment, no. I haven't spent a lot of time on it recently,
mostly because it just works.

I do have a growing list of enhancements for it though. Maybe I'll
make it MyEdit friendly.

Ryan.

Gabriel Bakker wrote:

Does it integrate with MyEdit?

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Ryan J. Mills <ryan@wcs.ab.ca (ryan@wcs.ab.ca)
<mailto:ryan@wcs.ab.ca (ryan@wcs.ab.ca)> <mailto:ryan@wcs.ab.ca (ryan@wcs.ab.ca)
<mailto:ryan@wcs.ab.ca (ryan@wcs.ab.ca)>>> wrote:

We use a home grown system very much like sourcesafe, but
better. IMHO.

Ryan.

John Bowman wrote:


Does anyone use a version control system, like CVS or
SourceSafe? If so, which one?
-John Bowman





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[BR_forum] Version control

Postby gothnerd at gmail.com » Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:20 pm

Is anyone else using any other version control, or source tracking that they'd like to share?

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